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Newzbin is back June 2, 2010

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1. HWB - June 2, 2010

And it is beautiful…

2. scott - June 2, 2010

pretty shiny, OoooOOooo

3. mc² - June 2, 2010

Ooooooh! Snap!!! 😛

Thanks Guys!!!

4. nate - June 2, 2010

damnit, where?

5. liam - June 2, 2010

newzbin.com and http://www.newzbin.com don’t work.

6. casey - June 2, 2010

http://www.newzbin.com works for me… and can i just say.. well done mr white…. gratitute for your work 100%… i really hope it all works out

7. liam - June 2, 2010

Hmm I’m in Canada, perhaps that is an issue. Is it working for people in the States?

evilhugbear - June 2, 2010

try changing your dns server until yours is updated.

or flush your dns

8. robert - June 2, 2010

Will newzxxx.com be back as well?

9. guerilla - June 2, 2010

I cant go there directly, all i see is the link to this blog. Going through a proxy seems to work.

10. synaptik - June 2, 2010

Alright!!! 🙂

11. Fritellino - June 2, 2010

Most impressive Mr. White
For those of you unable to navigate to the resurected site with your old bookmark, chack and see if it is v3.newzbin.com. The re-launched site is back to the original www designation.
Hopefully it will not be long before we see newzxxx.com up as well.
Now if Mr. White can just evade the CIA, MI6, and the MPAA…

12. Andy - June 2, 2010

Doesn’t work here in the UK. Tried from my pc and lappie and 4 different browsers, all i get is the old page linking back to this blog.

13. Mr Pink - June 2, 2010

Seems that the https site isnt working, but http does.

14. Renegade - June 2, 2010

Works in Denmark 🙂

15. stuken - June 2, 2010

anyone want to post the ip for those us whose isp’s are lazy updating the dns cache?

HWB - June 2, 2010

Ask and you shall receive…

http://85.112.165.70/

May take upto 72 hours for your ISP to update the new DNS.

16. F@AssMonk3h - June 2, 2010

That is amazing newz

I am curious to see how this one pans out – I imagine the infringments team at the MPAA is having a very very bad day today.

So many questions….
How do you have the newzbin.com domain
How will you take payments without exposing yourself to legal risks
What is the plan to succeed where Newzbin1 fell

17. shh111 - June 2, 2010

works for me.

hope newzxxx.com will be back up as well

18. noby - June 2, 2010

this is one of the greatest moments in my life.

19. andyu - June 2, 2010

hmm dosnt work here. Only get the page with a link what appared when the site first was taken down.

evilhugbear - June 2, 2010

Same here 😦

evilhugbear - June 2, 2010

changed my dns server to 4.2.2.2 and it works 🙂

20. myth - June 2, 2010

ipconfig /flushdns

21. mongo - June 2, 2010

-> flush dns

+ FUCK YEA!!!! ;D

22. Andy - June 2, 2010

All working for me now using the IP :o)

23. me - June 2, 2010

refresh your browser, clear your cache

24. LeW - June 2, 2010

Newzbin for mayor

Monopoly Man - June 4, 2010

LOL!

25. renata - June 2, 2010

My prayers have been answered!

26. Spam Mask - June 2, 2010

Does this not seem a bit suspect to you? It would seem to me that this would be the perfect honeypot to capture information about downloaders. The story has a few holes in it, and I don’t think you should be comfortable using it until more information comes out.

Who is Mr. White? How did he get the domain name? Setting up the site in exactly the same location doesn’t seem to be a sustainable strategy.

Goob - June 2, 2010

The IP shows it is located in Sweden. Newzbin1 was in the UK. however I do see the concern until they get established.

27. d1ck0 - June 2, 2010

flushed cache tried ip , still dont work in uk 😦

28. Anon - June 2, 2010

If your ISP is lazy like mine
add this line to your hosts file:
85.112.165.70 http://www.newzbin.com
in firefox Ctrl+Shift+Delete and make sure it removes everything
wooooh newzbin:D

Thankful - June 3, 2010

Added to host file n clicked through link n works fine peeps. Feels like I’d lost a limb n it’s now grown back via the wonders of science! (hacking) haha!

29. Catch22 - June 2, 2010

Doesn’t seem to be working correctly here either, using the Google DNS servers, but I can get to it from a box in the US, so it just appears to be propagation.

30. Bumble - June 2, 2010

Can someone tell Google to flush their DNS caches plx?

31. OnLooker - June 2, 2010

i get the old message check this blog ect even trying the ip version

32. Jones - June 2, 2010

Anyone tried sabNZBD+and bookmarks yet? Can’t make it work.. ?

33. stavros - June 2, 2010

sabNZBd 0.5.0 and 0.5.2 both seem to grab bookmarks fine here.

34. Pep - June 2, 2010

is this working for anyone in US? comcast to be exact?

35. Leecher - June 2, 2010

Their server seems to be filtering by client IP location. If I connect through a US VPN it works, but if I don’t it goes to the “closed” message. The DNS address is the same in both cases so it is not DNS propagation.

36. DiGiTa1 - June 2, 2010

Working in NJ (US) on Optimum

37. DiGiTa1 - June 2, 2010

PS..

Mr. White is the man!!!!!

38. Captain - June 3, 2010

A thing of beauty

39. f4m - June 3, 2010

Isn’t any one a little worried that they seem to have up to date records of payment information as well!

What about credit card names and expirations dates

Julian - June 3, 2010

If the old Newzbin crew let the credit card details slip, they might be in for another round of trouble… especially if their followers start noticing odd things on their credit cards.

Furthermore, it’s turning out to be a nice honeypot – they even got ALL the details from the old users… Pfft, what assurances do we have that if Newzbin 2 gets into trouble, they won’t simply pass on user details to get out of trouble?

40. Bill Clinton - June 3, 2010

Yes they do seem to have EVERYTHING. Hmm…

41. Julian - June 3, 2010

Nope – for the life of me I can’t get this to work – just displays the same message that refers me to this blog.

If it’s up, at least have the common decency to say it’s only up for a few.

42. itty - June 3, 2010
43. Manu666 - June 3, 2010

It’s working in switzerland. Great job Mr White !!!

44. NoBody - June 3, 2010

I won’t be using the site until it is clear who is behind. I want a name, not an alias… Seems odd that they all of a sudden has access to the newzbin-domain…

45. mr no-one - June 3, 2010

There is a serious breach of the data protection act, your breaking the law by obtaining data with out owner consent.

I’ve flagged my account for deletion I hope you will honour my request ASAP !

Sorry guys cant go with you on this one I could get my ass kicked big time if the data you “Acquired ” is compromised.

Spam Mask - June 3, 2010

Agreed, 100%.

This is just suspect all the way around.

46. Manu666 - June 3, 2010

newzxxx.com is now working.

47. conspiracy theorist - June 3, 2010

Maybe “Team R Dogs” IS the mpa/RIAA maybe they got the entire site and the code in a secret settlement (how did team R dogs get the domain name?)
hmmm they are watching what you download ….

…but if your not, then nice one getting the site up looks good!
🙂

Monopoly Man - June 4, 2010

I cannot imagine someone very close to Newzbin during its initial incarnation wouldn’t anonymously tip off the population about this potential if it were true. Would they really turn their backs while thousands of loyal customers walked into a trap?

48. barre - June 3, 2010

THX A lot , realy you and the team have my support

49. Sataroth - June 3, 2010

And the best thing: The newzbin Poster script is also working again
(http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38054)

50. Sataroth - June 3, 2010

And the best thing: the newzbin greasemonkey script is also working again.

51. bob - June 3, 2010

so someone stole the source code and just happened to what steel the domain name too?

Seems a little fishy

Julian - June 4, 2010

AND managed to steal the updated user database including login details, credit history, etc… Hmmm, how old is this code again? Because the user database seem to be pretty up-to-date.

52. itty - June 4, 2010

I agree. As I recall, the hack was reported to have been done some time ago, and yet the user database (including credit) is well up-to-date. Me not like.

53. Cautious - June 4, 2010

I’m happy it’s back. Should be wary though. How can it be confirmed that it’s not a long-term honeypot so to speak? Is it possible?

54. NoBody - June 4, 2010

The database must have been hacked sometime after the original newzbin froze uor credits, as I have exactly the same amount of credits as before the shutdown of Newzbin…

55. DS - June 4, 2010

Or maybe it was never hacked as repeatedly suggested here.

I like the way Mr White has decided to NOT respond to these questions which makes it look even worse for him.

Theres no way I’m using it till he steps up and tell just how exactly he managed to “steal” the domain along with the code – The code that he DID NOT STEAL from the extremely clued up original owners, there is just no way.

56. Tony Rage - June 4, 2010

I can only echo the sentiments of others. There is something suspicious going on here.

Firstly, the “hack” reported months ago was claimed to be an SQL injection attack. I refuse to believe that the Newzbin guys could develop such advanced and complex code to run as the backend of Newzbin, yet fall victim to such a simple and incredibly easy to avoid code vulnerability. Sure, it can happen, but the date of the hack doesn’t match the content that now exists on the site, so that’s +2 to the weirdness.

As has already been stated by many people here, hacking the website and obtaining code is one thing, but the domain name? I can only see two possibilities here; either they now manage and own the domain name, or the previous owners have just pointed it at them (namesevers/DNS) for the time being. In either circumstance, it’s very odd that the people who previously “hacked” the site now also have at least partial access to the domain name. Perhaps R Dogs/Mr White etc didn’t hack the site – but the point still stands that they are apparently not affiliated with the previous Newzbin team, yet have access to their code and databases, and now have the domain name at least to some extent.

Perhaps the most important “issue” for me, though, is that from reading Mr White’s comments it seems that he’s simply in this for the money. I’m not going to quote his interviews (you can read them for yourself) but reading in-between the lines all I see is a guy who knows that what he’s doing is illegal, knows the income of the previous Newzbin site, but continues to have the mindset that he will charge for the service and try to evade authorities as and when he needs to. How much does he think he’s going to make?

Let’s not delude ourselves here. Newzbin is NOT PirateBay, however much Mr White might make the comparison. Newzbin is a “premium” service and will charge for access and “credits”. He will re-open registrations in order to try and generate more income to cover his unforseen infrastructure costs. Are you people honestly going to put more money into something that could, and probably will disappear overnight randomly?

Say what you will about the previous Newzbin, and the complainers will, but at least they did the “right” thing and stopped the premium side of their service when they saw that it could feasibly lose the case. They may have known that what they were doing was possibly illegal, but they didn’t hide anything, nor did they lie about it. They were a genuine UK Business (registered), and you knew that it was a legitimate affair. On the flip-side now, we have a site that is known to effectively be illegal, and yet the new owner doesn’t care whilst publically stating he knows he’s going to be approached by the authorities and will hide/disappear. We know nothing about him, his involvement with Newzbin and/or the hack, nor how he obtained the source and databases – but we know he needs your money to continue. Doesn’t take a genius to see the concern here.

Don’t get me wrong, Newzbin was a fantastic service, and I’d very much like to see it reappear – but definitely not in the current circumstances that we have now. Mr White – do yourself a favour and “man up”. Tell people exactly who you are, how you obtained the domain and site code/databases, and why you feel that you need to resurrect Newzbin and charge for its services. How can you charge for something you know is illegal? If your only defense is that Newzbin needs to be premium due to the infrastructure behind it, you’re wrong.

57. dougy - June 4, 2010

spot on tony rage – i ain’t renewing, in fact may cancel the card i use din case thats compromised

58. Anon - June 4, 2010

\signed and well said

59. Valle - June 4, 2010

“We dont have a functional payment system in place yet so the site will be free for a week or two. When we get a credits system running we will be respecting the credits you have left over from Newzbin.”

Sooo….most of us won’t be paying anyway?

Tony Rage - June 4, 2010

Well I think it’s pretty obvious that not everyone will have a stack of old credits, so it’s logical to assume that at least some percentage of previous Newzbin users will pay for more credits. Additionally, the site is clearly going to be open-registration again, bringing in a new influx of users who may purchase credits.

It’s free now simply because they need to wait for developers to understand the code that they stole/purchased/were given. No other reason 🙂

Valle - June 4, 2010

Hehe, guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it turns out. And have some healthy scepticism while we’re at it? 😀

NexGen - June 4, 2010

I seriously doubt that is the reason. The code that processes payments is something that millions of sites already do, it’s really not complicated in the scheme of things.

Getting a Credit Card Merchant account sorted out for a highly questionable new business in an already fraud-ridden environment (involving tens of thousands of international web based credit transactions for just a few euros each), however could be challenging.

Newzbin had to go through hoops to do achieve that, including ESCROWing huge amounts of cash to cover potential charge-backs and even had to spin off the entire XXX section into its own free site (The banks would NOT get involved in what it considered a porn business).

Tony Rage - June 4, 2010

Actually, it’s complicated when you know nothing of the existing code. They themselves have said the backend is way more complicated than they’d anticipated, and I think it’s pretty logical to think the payment processing code is in that backend somewhere….

Getting an online merchant account is a very, very simple process. The reason it took the original Newzbin so long is that they tried to do it legitimately. In its current hands, I don’t think that’s something Mr White has any intention of doing, do you? 😉

60. Suomynona - June 5, 2010

Since when is downloading a .NZB file illegal? (Showing intent is still not intent) It’s like watching the news about a crime, does that mean you intend to commit the same crime??

I say give it shot, use the service for a bit. Use it through a proxy, you don’t like it, then don’t use it.

Become educated about the circumstance around this/old site, make your own decisions, but condemning this right out of the gate is a bit harsh.

We can make our own choices, we can also voice our own opinions but remember they are just opinions, if you are really “pushing” to be heard, perhaps you’re not being honest with your own agenda, deep down you want this will this to be a success/fail.

Why can’t we all just get along. Let’s be civil and help one another.

Now excuse me, a bank worker in a prestigious bank in Nigeria needs my help. 😉

Tony Rage - June 5, 2010

I’m sorry, but the whole “how is downloading an .NZB file illegal?” argument is complete rubbish. Courts aren’t stupid – they know what the .NZB files link to, and that’s effectively what the whole case was about. The Newzbin site facilitated the downloading of copyright protected content by the use of providing precompiled .NZB files that link to said content. The minute reports became creatable and accessible on the site, the site owners became liable because it meant that the content is now essentially categorised and processed, instead of relying on ye old “We don’t know what we’re indexing, because we index everything” argument.. It’s called “intent”. Read some of the interviews in the court case; it’s all very clear. The other huge thing Newzbin had going against it was that there was very little to no open source or otherwise copyright free content on there. Let’s be blunt; the site existed to facilitate access to copyright protected content. Deny it all you will, but that doesn’t change anything. For all those chasing search engines claiming that they also provide NZB files – the difference is purpose. Search engines don’t exist purely to do that, and their results are very very rarely categorised or processed manually – removing liability.

Important to note: Nobody is saying NZB files are illegal. It’s down to how they’re used.

Sure, we could have a semantic discussion about whether or not providing an .NZB file of copyright protected content is actually breaking the law, since no content is downloaded, but what’s the point? The courts had this discussion for us, and they decided that yes… apparently it is (in the UK). Nothing further to add, your honour.

Personally, I don’t want Newzbin as a concept to fail. On the other hand, I really don’t want to see it reopened with the intention of being someones cash cow. Here’s a quote from Mr White:

“Let me be clear. We have a profit motive in this. We haven’t tried to ‘steal’ from Newzbin1 guys – they got shutdown by the MPA, not by us. The MPA have given us an opportunity to make money. Thanks MPA,”

Frankly, that’s not the attitude of someone I’d want to give money. Especially when now there are no guarantees of service.

Make it open source. Let the many clones open up and do things right.

Suomynona - June 5, 2010

Alright, I’ll bite. I can see your points. If that’s what’s the court say (in the UK, then that’s the ruling). I’ll admit that I did not read the court minutes.

My post was not intended to diss you Mr. Tony Rage in any way. It wasn’t even directed at you in general.

My post was to the broader audience who come here to complain. This shouldn’t be a place for that, it should be for more open discussion which educates about the topic. We all have a fondness for Newzbin and most of us would really like it to just go back to what it was and with who was running it. I totally agree that it should also be more open and to also index more non commercial things.

But the situation as it is now, is not going to change. It is what it is.

We have one idea, release the code and make it open source. That is a constructive idea to this situation. Let this message board also start new ideas to better this unfortunate problem.

If I have offended anyone, then I apologize. It’s hard to lurk and read all the whiners. It just bubbles and boils inside then we speak irrationally.

Peace to all.

61. Tony Rage - June 5, 2010

@Suomynona: No problem at all 🙂 I didn’t take any offense to anything you wrote, and I hope likewise. I was just responding in general to those who were ignorant of the situation and thought that Newzbin was “unfairly” shut down, etc. Wasn’t directed at you primarily either 🙂 There’s been some good discussion here.

The situation as it stands now would be similar to if Piratebay started charging their users. Is that a business model that can work? I doubt it.

62. Bert - June 5, 2010

Ouch Tony, talk about Newzbin anger issues!
Allow me to butt in and throw my views into the ring.

How the hack was done and how Newzbin2 got the domain name of Newzbin1 is a mystery for now. That said, it is not a mystery akin to the location of Jimmy Hoffa’s body or who really killed JFK. There is no need to dive into the conspiracy theories as these questions will resolve themselves as time goes by (most likely with lots of “Is that all there was to it?” comments from the Newzbinners). It’s really not something worth spending sleepless nights wondering about.

Let me tackle the rest of your paragraphs.

“Perhaps the most important “issue” for me, though, is that from reading Mr White’s comments it seems that he’s simply in this for the money.”

I think he has a genuine interest in Usenet but whether or not that’s true is irrelevant. Being “in it for the money” is the primary reason 99% of the companies are established. That’s called capitalism and it can work rather well, motivating Mr White and his crew to put their energy into maintaining improving what Newzbin offers to its users in hopes of keeping us hooked on his service.

“…All I see is a guy who knows that what he’s doing is illegal, knows the income of the previous Newzbin site, but continues to have the mindset that he will charge for the service and try to evade authorities as and when he needs to.”

You are certainly coming off like you are sitting on a rather high horse here. As a former Newzbin user, do you not believe that the acts you engaged in are illegal as well? Or are you the kind who only downloaded Linux ISOs from Newzbin? I suspect all of Newzbin/Matrix/Merlin’s portal users and administrators have at least an inkling of an idea that their actions are legally questionable. Charging for the service in no more arrogant or immoral than paying money for this service – a service that allows you (or me, or all the other people reading this blog) to take someone else’s intellectual property without paying them a dime.

“Are you people honestly going to put more money into something that could, and probably will disappear overnight randomly?”

Yes. And I’ll tell you why. First of all, Newzbin is cheap (well it’s free now, but there’s no reason to think the prices won’t be similar to what they used to be)- an amazing value for what the site offers. Second of all, noone of forcing you to subscribe for a year. If you are that scared of losing a few bucks, pay for 2 weeks worth of access. Is Newzbin still there? Subscribe for another few weeks if you want. No need for fear mongering.

“On the flip-side now, we have a site that is known to effectively be illegal, and yet the new owner doesn’t care whilst publically stating he knows he’s going to be approached by the authorities and will hide/disappear.”

Way to dramatize. Newzbin2 is not a Mafia subsidiary you make it out to be. I won’t pretend to be a lawyer here it bears noting here that the new site is a business based outside of the U.K. and thus, subject to a whole different set of laws. What Justice Kitchin decided about NB1 has no bearing on NB2. Is NB2 “legally questionable”? Yes. That’s why those who are too scared of using it or find copyright violations to be morally reprehensible have an option of not using it. Same as the option they did with NB1.

“We know nothing about him, his involvement with Newzbin and/or the hack, nor how he obtained the source and databases – but we know he needs your money to continue. Doesn’t take a genius to see the concern here.”

And what is the concern here? Clearly it’s not having your credit card information stolen, since it’s been stated ad infinitum that Newzbin2 will be using a reputable 3rd party payment-processor (the other viable option for Mr White anyway). And come to think of it, doesn’t any business need money to continue?

“Mr White – do yourself a favour and “man up”. Tell people exactly who you are, how you obtained the domain and site code/databases, and why you feel that you need to resurrect Newzbin and charge for its services.”

I don’t think it’s any of your business. Or mine for that matter. I wonder why you didn’t ask him if he is a God-fearing person or how often he goes to church or how much money he gives to charities prior to doing business with him. I am sure he is smart enough to offer those who wish to pay for his service a safe way to pay for access. That’s all that is actually relevant. It’s a business transaction, that’s all it is.

“How can you charge for something you know is illegal? If your only defense is that Newzbin needs to be premium due to the infrastructure behind it, you’re wrong.”

He can charge for it because it’s a service that in the opinion of a great many people superior to what else is out there. He NEEDS to charge for it (either subscribers or advertisers) because unless he is not a human being (OMG could Mr White be an evil supercomputer? that would explain so much) he needs to eat and pay for the roof over his head.
You seem to be outraged at an idea of paying someone to put their neck on the line to provide stolen media for you but apparently you have no problem enjoying the fruits of someone else’s labor (software companies’, singers’, actors’ and actresses’) as long as you can steal it for free.

Tony Rage - June 6, 2010

Well, allow me to retort.

“That said, it is not a mystery akin to the location of Jimmy Hoffa’s body or who really killed JFK.”

Wow, aren’t you a drama queen. You completely failed to grasp the point; which is that ex-Newzbin aren’t stupid enough to be hacked/cracked by something as trivial as SQL injection. I doubt you know what that is, so I invite you to do some research for yourself.

“Being “in it for the money” is the primary reason 99% of the companies are established.”

Your statistics, please? Don’t bother looking, because you’re wrong. Ever hear of ambition? Again, though, point missed. Read the interviews with Mr White and you’ll clearly see that he views this as a cash cow, even saying that he hopes to have the same revenue as Newzbin used to or (briefly summarised by myself) “he’s screwed”. Trying to restart a site that’s going to be hunted down, for profit? I can think of more sustainable businesses can’t you?

“As a former Newzbin user, do you not believe that the acts you engaged in are illegal as well? Or are you the kind who only downloaded Linux ISOs from Newzbin?”

It’s amusing you have to completely detract from the argument here and try to critique my personal use of the Internet. For the record, I don’t have nor have I ever had a Newzbin account. I’ve never needed one. Not all Linux ISO’s are meant to be distributed for free, either.

“Charging for the service in no more arrogant or immoral than paying money for this service”.

Nobody’s talking about morality here, except you. I’ve never made the argument that charging for the service based on what the service does or provides is wrong – you’re trying to create your own arguments now, because you have little else to comment on.

“If you are that scared of losing a few bucks, pay for 2 weeks worth of access. Is Newzbin still there? Subscribe for another few weeks if you want. No need for fear mongering.”

Oh I see now. So you’re one of those people who doesn’t care if they get scammed, as long as it’s only for a few bucks? We can all lose a few bucks and not worry about it, can’t we? Try telling that to the thousands of users who complained when Newzbin died and wanted a refund.

For the record, I’ve never said it may be a scam, just that given the situation it’s significantly a higher risk than it was before; simply because ex-Newzbin was an established company with correct financial procedures in place. Now it’s a gamble. Fact, not conspiracy theory.

“Way to dramatize. Newzbin2 is not a Mafia subsidiary you make it out to be.”

Oh it’s not? So relaunching a site that you know to be illegal, and publically stating that _WHEN_ the authorities try and take you down you’ll just up and move elsewhere sounds like a legitimate business practice to you? You’re easily pleased and deluded. There’s a reason why certain countries allow the content they host to be hosted there….

“I won’t pretend to be a lawyer here it bears noting here that the new site is a business based outside of the U.K. and thus, subject to a whole different set of laws.”

It’s not a business now at all, this is my point. Before, with ex-Newzbin it was, now it’s deemed illegal it’s basically a website that’s taking money with no structure, no terms, no safeguards.

“What Justice Kitchin decided about NB1 has no bearing on NB2.”

I’m afraid it does, since it’s now set the bar (at least in the UK) for other NZB sites. It’s only a matter of time before other countries follow suit.

“I don’t think it’s any of your business. Or mine for that matter.”

If Mr White wants the respect, trust and business of tens if not hundreds of thousands of existing and possibly new Newzbin users – it is our business. Coming out of the woodwork saying you hacked the old site and are relaunching, with payment options, isn’t really a great start to a business relationship is it?

“You seem to be outraged at an idea of paying someone to put their neck on the line to provide stolen media for you but apparently you have no problem enjoying the fruits of someone else’s labor (software companies’, singers’, actors’ and actresses’) as long as you can steal it for free.”

Again, more assumptions and puerile nonsense because you have nothing solid to dissect in my posts. Ny your own rationale you think it’s acceptable to pay someone for taking a risk and breaking laws? Gee, aren’t you just chock full of morale fibre 🙂
That’s why there’s a law for handling stolen goods, by the way…

Anything I didn’t quote wasn’t worth responding to.

For the record; I’m not outraged, upset, paranoid or particularly bothered about Newzbin2. I make these posts to invoke discussion on the subject – nothing more. Have whatever image you like about me from that, but chances are it’s wrong 🙂

63. joe - June 5, 2010

dude i think you missed the point entirely.

some of us really would not like to go to jail.

Bert - June 6, 2010

Usenet is one of the safest mediums to download from.
Why would you be any more likely to go to jail if you use Newzbin2 as opposed to Newzbin 1 or any of the torrent sites out there?
Do you believe it’s an MPA honeypot? In that case there is nothing that the people behind N2 can say to convince you otherwise. Like Mr White said recently, “If you are really worried don’t use the site and wait for a few years and if nothing has happened come back then.” Nothing in life is ever 100% guaranteed to be completely safe.

64. Secue - June 5, 2010

I’ve been a newzbin use for 5 years now…didnt realise that till just now when i checked my history….on a site that has been setup with information that includes my stolen details …apparently.

Anyway…to be honest we can all sit here and bounce shit around till the cows come home and never get any further forward.

There’s just one question that I want answered for the moment mr white…..how did you get the domain?

For the time being I don’t need to know who you are or how you did the hack. Nor do i particularly care whether you are in it for the money….you want credibility? How did you get the domain?

If you’re able to answer that with a believable “well y’see….” then maybe people will start to trust you.

Personally, i think newzbin was great but I think it should be open sourced. You said in your irc interview with deepsharer that code wants to be free…..so free it….no? Hmm…

Come on whitey….how did you manage to point that newzbin.com domain at your IP?

I think till that question is answered….your potentially just the MPA that just unscrewed the lid on a huge pot of honey….even if that isn’t the case…your not someone that any sensible person is going to give payment card details to.

65. Bizzarro - June 5, 2010

Am I the only one who is glad that Newzbin is back simply for their bangin interface and filtering features. I agree that it is very shady and everyone should be cautious in what they download. But in the wake of the shutdown I have used several other sites for my NZB’s but I always found them lacking compared to the Bin. If anyone is concerned, then couldn’t they just search for the content that they want through Newzbin2, read its comments and details, and then locate it’s newsgroup and exact name and then just download the NZB from another site. I know this may seems tedious but it is much better than waiting for a download that is garbage.
All I am saying is that Newzbin’s best feature and its founding purpose was indexing Usenet. Even if you don’t download anything they are offering an indexing service far superior to other sites. For this I am grateful. I also wonder if the court case would have gone the same way if no content was ever downloaded directly from the site.
I am sure that someone out there could write a greasemonkey script that could automatically copy text from the screen and create an nzb without actually downloading anything from the site. I am sure that there are many more clever people out there that could figure out a better solution than that, but all I am saying is that I want the Bin the stick around so if there is a way to keep them in the clear then I am all for it.

66. Ace - June 6, 2010

you guys said grok…I love you already.

67. matt - June 6, 2010

This whole thing is incredibly sketchy…

Where’s the story about how they got the domain? You can’t ‘hack’ a domain, it has to be transfered by the original owner. I doubt the original owners of the domain would transfer it. Do they even still own it, I thought they owed something like 300k pounds for damages to the MPAA.

If I was a media exec and I wanted to dissuade piracy the a great strategy would be to setup a honeypot where uses enter identifying info(credit card, ip) and knowingly download pirated shit(reports). Wait 6 months, and file the suits in a media frenzy.

Here’s how they say they acquired the domain::
“”We are renting the domain for a bit until we can get a new good one. Lowish priority TBH”””

I’m sure “renting” the orignal domain to a site like this would throw the original owners into even more of a legal shittub.

If anyone uses this site, they’re insane…

c0ld - June 6, 2010

The domain was apparently sold back in 2009 and NB1 have been renting it since. When newzbin was liquidated, the domain was not part of the company assets.

Even assuming that’s true though, I’ll still not trust the story until the docs are up and the filtering is removed.

68. Wad - June 6, 2010

Glad its back, no comments at the moment so its main use for me is missing. Personally wont be using it at the moment despite my 300+ days credit, I need more reassurance that this is not a honeypot – i don’t want my IP showing up on the mpaa radar thanks. Plenty of other decent sources.

Broadly agree with Tony Rage.

69. Aoli - June 6, 2010

I too am happy NB is back up.

Personally, I don’t think the indexing the usenet is illegal. There are many reasons you can lose a case…and I think I recall it being said that the case was a bit mishandled. Also, it was a lawsuit… not a criminal case… careful it throwing around the term “illegal,” they are not going to throw you in jail.

Nor am I opposed to paying for the service if it is something that I think is worth the money. What you DO with the service may or may not be legal, but frankly I don’t care what you do with it… not my concern.

NB1 was very affordable and I see no reason why NB2 won’t be… if it isn’t reasonably priced, I won’t renew. I have credits from the old NB and they are honoring them… so I am more ahead than I was before they reopened. I am willing to risk a couple more bucks after that if the service is similar… the way I figure it, I had already written that money off, and if I don’t spend more than that at a shot, I will be fine.

It is free now… and they are honoring old credits…. sure doesn’t sound like a good way to scam people… oh wait… Tony never said it was scam… he just used the term in a context that implied it was…riiiight. Sorry tony…really not interested in the opinion of someone who has never used the service. Your fear-mongering is lame, and if you don’t use it, why are you even here bothering us? Welcome to the ignore list.

Bert… nice comments.

I can’t say I know who any of the people who run stores are… either brick and mortar or internet. It is not what I think of when I am buying something. Sure, I know the Sam Walton founded Walmart and Jack runs Jack-in-the-Box 😛 but if they give me a good service I don’t need to know who they are. I will make my decision about their reliability during the free period and when my credits go.

70. Wad - June 6, 2010

To all those wondering how the domain name was obtained, if Newzbin declared bancrupcy then all assets would be forfeited to the administrator, who would be instructed to get what they can for it to cover the debts, presumably Team R Dogs made a bid for the assets and won. This may have included all site code as well. So they have the code and domain, have managed to get it hosted in a remote location, but as yet have no ideah how that code works.

Thats my bet. However im hedging another bet that the mpaa made a big fat donation to the Team r dogs bid in return for covert ip transfer records. 🙂

Debbie Downer - June 6, 2010

http://www.investigationservices.ca/services_litigation_support.html

This company is called WCIS Limited.. any connection?

71. Goob - June 6, 2010

The story out now about the domain is this:

We all know Caesium sold the site and assets back in Jan/Feb. (his statement). This included the domain. They then leased the domain back since they needed it for the site. When they went into liquidation, the domain returned to the owner since Newzbin, the site, was just leasing it, and it therefore was not an asset of the site. The Dogs then contacted that owner and outbid any other interested party to lease the domain name.

The Dogs have said they don’t know if that domain will be the permanent one or not. But for the moment, it is.

72. OMG - June 6, 2010
73. Just_Think - June 9, 2010

It’s not very herd to understand people.

1. Mr White accessed the newzbin server months ago. Then once they realized that no one was noticing, they kept coming back to copy the updated DB.

2. Newzbin was only leasing the domain name. So when it became available, Mr White and his peeps got into a bidding war for the domain name and won (paid a good chunk of changes as well).

3. Newzbin said that they never stored credit card data in their DB. So if they never keep that info, Mr White does not have it either.

Pretty simple ehh?

c0ld - June 10, 2010

Yes, it’s simple, and it’s completely unsubstantiated.

74. bunun - June 9, 2010

how do i know the new owners arent in cahoots with the mpaa ?

75. itty - June 10, 2010

You don’t. Deal with it.

I for one have pulled out for good. It just seems far too stupid to keep going there. The fact that the xxx section apparently isn’t up yet is what convinced me that it’s a honeypot. If the fullblown xxx section came back (including all sorts of nastiness), I’d maybe believe the mpaa wasn’t behind things.

Monopoly Man - June 10, 2010

Yep, we all know the MPAA wouldn’t be behind such categories as Golden Showers, New York Style Tacos, or Hot Lunches.

76. Muad Dib - June 10, 2010

There are sleeper agents from the organizations that fight us here and now. They are the ones spreading the FUD (Fear, uncertainty, and doubt). They do not want us to think that the new newzbin will survive, they want us to think that it could be them in disguise, gathering info to sue us all individually, they want us to think the new owners are going to rip us off. They use whatever tools at their disposal they can, so while they are waiting for lawsuits and lawyers to come up with schemes, they will have users using propaganda and mind trick tools to try and sway us.

There comes a time in every mans life when they have to take a risk. The new owners have the intestinal fortitude to take on giants, the least we can do is support the David/Goliath battle for as long as we can/they can hold out.

We are like a plague, a disease. You can kill off one part, but another will grow back. You can isolate individuals, but others will jump in to take their place. We are not going away, so YOU must come up with a sustainable plan that will work out for both parties in the end. Your bait and switch, your lawsuits, WILL NOT WORK. Keep grasping, keep whining, keep up the charade that your petty injunctions mean something, because in the end you have to operate within legal boundaries, yet we are as free as the fish in the ocean, and the birds in the sky.

jeff - June 15, 2010

You, are indeed a dick…

77. Homer Simpson - June 17, 2010

Woohoo, newzxxx is back!

78. Borat - June 17, 2010

Some of you guys on here are a bit slow, so let me spell it out for you. Chris and MrWhite are giving their version of the story basically for legal reasons. An official version. But it’s not that hard to read between the lines to see exactly what happened. There was no hack to any system – I can’t believe people even consider this as a serious possibility. Chris just fucked MPA, that’s all it is. MrWhite, if not Chris himself, is his close relative or friend. That much is obvious. Newzbin is back in its original form. They just had to do some reshuffling and shut down for a little while, but SAME newzbin is back up now. Much respect to Chris/his friend for honoring the credits.

l0l - June 17, 2010

That’s what They want you to think.

79. Master Yoda - June 24, 2010

I’m out – to shady, to much risk.
good luck to those who take the risk.

80. A/C - June 24, 2010

Neither newzbin nor newzxxx are working for me this morning. Have they gone again?

81. Andy - June 24, 2010

All is up and working for me although im undecided yet as to whether im going back or not as to be honest i actually prefer nzbmatrix now im using it but i did want to add to the comment pit that i for one remember Chris saying when the court case started that even if they did lose the case then Newzbin would not dissapear and they would find some way to stick around. That said it seems to me that this was all planned from the beginning and Chris has stuck very much to his word.
So while i am quite comfortable where i am right now, i may well check Newzbin all the time my credits are active if i can’t find what im looking for. My point is to have you all rack your memories to the old news posts and while you should be suspicious you should also remember that this was all planned from the start 😉

82. Monopoly Man - June 26, 2010

Newzbin down?

83. Michael Dell - September 6, 2011

newzxxx gone from dns?

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